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Special Subcommittees of the House Committee on General Laws and Senate Committee on Rehabilitation & Social Services Studying Certain ABC Issues
August 26, 2008
The Joint Meeting of the Special Subcommittees of the House Committee on General Laws and the Senate Committee on Rehabilitation and Social Services Studying Certain ABC Issues was in Richmond.
Delegate Albo presided over the third joint meeting of the Special Subcommittees and reminded the Subcommittees that the meeting topics were:
Delegate Albo stated that the reason he asked the ABC Board to work on a method whereby a licensee having trouble meeting the ratio could petition the ABC Board was based largely on the assumption that the failure to meet the ratio may be anecdotal.
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Delegate Bulova stated that the phrase "to the satisfaction of the Board" left too much discretion with the Board. Staff advised that this language was commonly used with regulatory boards because they have specialized knowledge of their respective areas. If Board action was challenged, the administrative standard of review was a preponderance of the evidence. If this language were adopted, further limitations on the discretion of the ABC Board could be added. Mr. Coleburn told the Subcommittees that the real issue is the recent 20% decrease in food sales and not so much an increase in the sale of alcoholic beverages. Mr. Coleburn advised that the ratio is reviewed annually by the ABC Board.
The Subcommittees considered the staff draft addressing the proliferation of specialty licenses. Staff reported that the draft created a new limited service license that would subsume day spa and meal assembly kitchen licenses; but would allow for the addition of future types of licenses meeting the criteria established in the draft. A limited service license could be granted to a commercial establishment that offers personal services to the public for compensation; where the provision of alcoholic beverages to bona fide customers is incidental to the principal business purpose of the commercial establishment; and that has sufficient employees to perform the functionally equivalent services of wait staff.
The draft would require that food be available and offered by the licensee at substantially all hours that wine and beer are served. Staff advised the Subcommittees that the problem with this approach was that the term "personal services" is not defined. A search was done to see if the term was defined elsewhere in the Code of Virginia; but there was no definition of "personal service." Feasibly under the draft, licenses could be issued to dry cleaning, automotive care, and other businesses. The Subcommittee agreed with staff that this approach was problematic.
Margaret Bower, representing the meal assembly kitchen licensees, stated that her group was not in favor of requiring food to be available and offered when the wine or beer is given to customers. Ms. Bower noted that the food requirement may subject the licensees to unwanted food safety inspections by the Department of Health. Jack Knapp, Independent Assembly of Baptists, told the Subcommittees that the limited service license was a bad idea and was an expansion of the service of alcoholic beverages. Two restaurant licensees of the ABC Board testified that every retail on-premises licensee should have the same set of rules.
Staff Report-Class A, B, and C Restaurant Licenses
The Subcommittees also discussed the draft prepared by staff that would create Class A, B, and C restaurant licenses. As drafted, Class A and B restaurant licenses are new names for the existing mixed beverage restaurant license and the limited mixed beverage restaurant, respectively. The Class C license would be a new license category for bars. The requirement for each class of license is as follows.
Testimony from current mixed beverage restaurant licensees on this draft was generally in opposition. They suggested that the food-beverage ratio be eliminated and advised that patrons dictate what is sold and that the words "bar" or "night club" are generally met with a negative reaction. It was explained that restaurant licensees virtually have to give food away to keep the food sales up. The new Class C license was seen as unnecessary when the focus should be on fixing the ratio. Delegate Albo mentioned the inherent unfairness of the system when a restaurant licensee has to compete with Nissan Pavilion when it does not have any food sale requirement. Delegate Ed Scott questioned whether there would be any incentive for a Class C (bar) license when staff and regulatory costs are all the same.
The Subcommittees discussed the purposefully high license fee for the Class C license in order to limit the number of this new license. Consensus was that perhaps $5,000 to $7,000 would make the license affordable. The $25,000 license fee found in the draft was too high and would put people out of business, save the larger venues that could afford it. Staff reminded the Subcommittee the license fee was set at $25,000 for discussion purposes. Senator Herring asked if there were similar problems with licensees meeting the $4,000 per month dollar sale requirement. Mr. Coleburn responded no.
Delegate Cosgrove noted that the 45% ratio is based on dollar to dollar when it should be based on volume of the alcohol sold. As liquor prices increase, it becomes harder to meet the ratio. Mr. Coleburn said that the information the ABC Board receives doesn’t show that higher priced alcoholic beverages are preventing licensees from meeting the ratio. Mr. Coleburn stated that if the ABC Board based the ratio on volume, it would necessarily involve the calculation of proof of the alcohol as well. The ABC Board can track alcoholic beverages sold; but with food, there is no way of measuring. He noted that no matter what the basis, some licensees will be helped and some hurt. He reminded the Subcommittees that in 1968 with the advent of liquor by the drink, the policy was that mixed beverages would be allowed only in restaurants and the ratio was set to establish that the licensee was a bona fide restaurant. Delegates Cosgrove and Bulova stated that there needs to be a new formula instead of the 45% food-beverage ratio. Delegate Albo opined that it seems to be that the ratio causes the economics to be distorted. As a result, licensees have to keep food costs low to meet the ratio.
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Delegate Albo reiterated that it may be anecdotal that mixed beverage licensees are having trouble meeting the ratio. He stated that he has been told that big restaurants are not having a problem while other "night life" licensees are. Delegate Albo gave options to address the food-beverage ratio, including determining volume of alcohol based on square footage of the service area of a restaurant or volume of alcohol based on seating in the restaurant. He noted that the ABC Board knows how many distilled spirits bottles are sold. Senators Puller and Herring stated that they have not heard of any problems with licensees in their districts not being able to meet the food-beverage ratio.
Delegate Albo said he would like a draft prepared that has a volume calculation for the food-beverage ratio and that current wine and beer dollar sales standards should be left alone. Delegate Ed Scott suggested the Subcommittees explore increasing the monthly dollar food sales requirement and revisit the Class C license draft. The next meeting will be on Friday, November 14, 2008.
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